Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. Whom was also a doctor. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. So I gave her the. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. He was jolly.. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Snow. The full hour will not be available online. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Both of them were victims of murder. I kind of. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. His parents were ecstatic. Shirley Turner had some startling news. I dont know.. Did anyone have more friends than he? May give you a new appreciation for being an American. And we, would have agreed to anything. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. He didnt know what to make of it then. But something kept me going, and. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. And I saw that night her malignancy. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. The night was. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Audio CD. What if she is backed in a. corner? Cpl. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. He was like, `Eh, mm.' Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from [email protected]. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. Do you understand? The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. MORRISON: What do you do about this? They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). The. Zachary, I love you, baby. It doesnt go away.. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. Meeting her at 6. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Privacy Policy. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. He was such a good baby. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? ago If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. We decided that on the plane.. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Cancel online anytime. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. He loved to laugh, Kate says. the water. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. then one day I realized what it was. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. murderer in check. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. But of course I didn't. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Mommy loves you. And now I want to read the book. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. Couldn't be her. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. 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